Comments on: The Case for the 2015 Pittsburgh Steelers https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/ An Introspective Steelers Site Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Game Recap: Steelers at Rams, Pas de Trois | Going Deep: https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-876 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 09:04:02 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-876 […] In my season preview I pointed out that because of moves made during the off season, even if Ben went down for a time all was not necessarily lost. As Tony Dungy said this evening, the Steelers offense may have to depend more on the running game while Ben is out. This makes DeAngelo Williams more than an extravagance. Time for Tyler Murphy to get some quarterback reps? Its not ideal by any stretch but with some first team reps from Vick this offense can remain potent and competitive. […]

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By: The Case for the 2015 Pittsburgh Steelers, Part Two | Going Deep: https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-571 Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:01:32 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-571 […] 1, which is the introduction and the Offense, can be found here. Part 2 should have gone up before the Patriots game, but I forgot to post it. My apologies to […]

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By: elpalito https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-548 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:54:19 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-548 I really don’t see it as BR trying to be the hero. I think he’s simply doing what his body has allowed him to do since high school. He will extend a play with a defensive end draped over his body because he can and because it has worked more often than not — not because he’s trying to be a hero. I saw it for 3 years in college and it is the same now.

Big Ben is the starting QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He gets paid the big bucks to be the focal point of the offense – to make everything work. What’s right for the Steelers is for Big Ben to play the best way that he can. I would have a hard time believing that bringing a backup QB in ‘for a different look’ would benefit the team at all.

I find the labelling of Big Ben as egotistical or a diva to be a strange Pittsburgh phenomenon. He mentioned a few broken bones early in his career – in disagreement with his coach – and he was slapped with a label.

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By: steeler fever https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-543 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:03:45 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-543 Somebody has to make the predictions round here.. Yes, the Steelers are going to win this season’s Super Bowl. Great read! Really appreciate this site, it feels like home.

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By: worldtrip https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-542 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:42:09 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-542 Always good to read your optimistic yet measured perspective

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-538 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 21:44:09 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-538 Thanks for your thanks : ) This is just the sort of place we wanted to create, and it makes me very happy to think that, so far at least, we’re succeeding.

Now in re Ben’s ego – you may be absolutely correct about this, but I have another theory as well.

There are some people, and I freely admit I am one of them, who have a lot of trouble delegating. because of one of several assumptions: 1) you can’t trust that the person you delegate the task to will actually do it; 2) you can’t trust that the person you delegate it to will do it the way you do (in other words, as well), or 3) you just aren’t able to relinquish control. As a person who has trouble with this, I don’t really want to attribute this to ego, although in fact that may be exactly what it is. But it is also due to some unfortunate experiences in which the person to whom I delegated a task in fact either did not do it or did not do it in a satisfactory fashion. This naturally makes one more reluctant to trust someone the next time. I’ve gotten better through the years, but my default is still “Okay, I’ll do it.”

It may seem strange to view Ben scrambling or hanging on to the ball as equivalent to delegating tasks, but I think they both boil down to some extent to a trust issue. Perhaps one of the things Haley has done for Ben is to patiently help him see that he doesn’t always have to be the hero. What we’ve seen in the last few seasons is perhaps Ben learning that he can rely on his teammates. This interpretation is bolstered by the time he has spent working outside of the regular team activities with his receivers, and part of this is possibly because he has seen how the chemistry he and Antonio Brown have developed has paid off.

This is all pure speculation, of course. But if you can’t speculate on a sports site, where can you?

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By: Ivan https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-536 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:54:22 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-536 Interesting piece in NFL.com by Judy Battista that adds some texture to this.

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By: Bill S. https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-535 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 19:17:17 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-535 Interesting take on Ben wanting to be the hero to the detriment of the team at times. I have had that thought a few times when he is trying to extend plays under duress when the high percentage play would be to throw it into the upper deck of the stadium.

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By: Ivan https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-524 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 10:52:23 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-524 Hey thanks for the thoughts. Your perspective on Ben is one I haven’t seen before and expanded my thinking. Really good post, worthy of a name attached to it..:)

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By: Anonymous https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/09/08/the-case-for-the-2015-pittsburgh-steelers/#comment-521 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 07:20:43 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=925#comment-521 So much good stuff here. I agree completely with Cold Old that it’s a month worth of things to think about. Like Rebecca–and Scarlett O’Hara–if I have to be miserable, I’m going to put it off until tomorrow when I have to think about it. For now, I’m with you. Let’s be optimistic.

What I would love, LOVE, to see this season is the Steelers really using Vick. Not in the 4th quarter, not because Ben is hurt or struggling, but as part of a plan. I won’t pretend I have any idea what that plan is. Just him trotting onto the field when no one expects it, to screw with defenses like they’ll see from the NFC West for example. Changing everything, I hope, just by having Vick out there instead of Ben.

Two reasons why this won’t happen? Vick himself. A few years ago I watched a lot of Eagles football in the preseason and early season and he was a revelation at first. I’d never watched him in action before. Wow. What talent, I thought. He’s amazing. And he is. In certain specific moments. But then….the red zone fumbles and interceptions. How can someone so good be so bad at times? It amuses me now to remember that I said to someone, “And we thought Ben was wildly erratic at times! Vick is a heartbreaker.” A talented man, indeed. But in my small sample of his playing skills, not a sure thing when it looks like a sure thing. He scares me. I want to see the Vick who is, as he’s often described, dangerous in a good way, not the bad way. Maybe as a backup, with the pressure off, he would make better decisions? Older, wiser? Or more desperate? in the split second after I’d be thrilled to see him take the field, I’d be terrified. But that’s Steelers football….

Then there’s Ben’s ego. Can he stand there and watch Vick take over his team for a few plays? Share the glory? I never quite trust that Ben is doing what is best for the team over being a hero. I don’t think that opinion is worth any explanation, just a feeling I get from time to time, and I’m not enough committed to it to do more than air it out. Something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way even when he seems to be saying all the right things. I wouldn’t want any other QB, but that doesn’t mean I’m able to wholeheartedly love him. Weird stuff, this watching from the couch. Sometimes we think we see personality but then again actors and artists are rarely able to hide their real selves even when they’re speaking lines written for them or under layers of paint. I’m not, by the way, pretending to know something or predict something. Again, just airing out a thought.

One of these days I’ll remember why I couldn’t make an account here and give myself a real name when I’ve tried in the past, but for now I’ll sign off as Earthling. I also wholeheartedly want to thank both Ivan and Rebecca for making this a safe space to think. I love all of your articles, I think about them for days. You’re doing a bang up job. Now get Hombre de Acero to do his 5 Burning Questions here and you’ve combined the very best of thoughtful analysis.

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