Comments on: Coaching Accounts: OL Mike Munchak and DC Keith Butler https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/ An Introspective Steelers Site Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:33:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: PittBoss72 https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-1003 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 04:45:09 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-1003 Great read!

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-987 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 02:17:48 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-987 Interesting – well, it was a good theory, anyhow. This makes me wonder how LeBeau got away with it for so long. But perhaps the greatly reduced amount of practice time after the new CBA spelled the death knell for schemes of great complexity.

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By: hombredeacero https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-986 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 01:31:55 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-986 Rebecca, Excellent work!

There’s a very, very interesting point about Dick LeBeau’s defense that unfortunately isn’t available on the internet. The Steelers base defense was installed in 1992 by Bill Cowher, Dom Capers, Dick LeBeau and Marv Lewis. When Capers took the Carolina job, Cowher promoted LeBeau.

When LeBeau left in 1996 Bill Cowher brought in Jim Hasslett, but gave Hasslett a mandate to run LeBeau’s defense. When Hasslett got the Saints job, Cowher turned to Tim Lewis.

Lewis hand joined the Steelers in 1995 as a secondary coach, and seemed like a logical choice.

I remember reading an interview with Lewis, I think it was in Steelers Digest, when he first got hired. In it he admitted, something along the lines of (and to the lawyers out there, this is a quote on memory), “Honestly, the scheme we used here was a mystery to me until the Super Bowl.” So here was a guy who’d played defensive back in the NFL from 1983 until about 1986, and then coached in the college ranks until he got hired by the Steelers in 1995 that took an entire year to master the scheme he was hired to help coach….

I was decidedly not in the “Let LeBeau go” camp, but one legitimate criticism of him was that his system did take too long for younger players to learn.

Quick comment to Homer on the offensive line coaching.

I was never a big fan of Larry Zierlien, although its well documented that Ben held on to the ball, way, way too long in those days. (For what it is worth, Alan Faneca didn’t really like Zierlin’s approach to coaching.)

Kluger was a fan favorite and well liked by his players. Honestly, its hard to say how good of a coach he was because he continually played musical chairs on offensive line.

As for Bicknell, there were a lot of reports about his firing, but I tend to buy Gerry Dulac’s who said he was not effective.

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By: Homer J. https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-976 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 17:57:09 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-976 Wonderful analysis, Rebecca. LeBeau is an absolute genius who revolutionized the art of blitzing and made a career out of destroying the confidence of QB’s, especially inexperienced ones. But the complexity of his defensive schemes also gave
Steeler rookies and second year guys huge problems. With the big turnover on D, with all the new guys, it was imperative that they resimplify the defensive schemes. There was too much thinking and not enough instinctive reacting last year. Of course, as the new guys get experience, you can add new layers to the schemes.

Nothing new about this. The Steelers had a rather basic defensive scheme in 1972, and it worked well with the great young talent they had. Over the years, it became incredibly complicated. Mike Wagner says the one thing people don’t realize about the Steel Curtain defensive is how complicated the schemes became – and how he might change the assignments five or six times from the defensive huddle to the actual snap of the ball. As the guys meshed into a unit, the coaches added more and more layers to the schemes.

As far as the offensive line is concerned, the Steelers were not well-coached in recent years, and needed work in fundamentals. Munch was a great player, but he is also a great teacher.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-974 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 16:52:53 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-974 Interesting idea – you definitely see that in how they handled Troy.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-973 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 16:52:22 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-973 Thanks fever!

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By: steeler fever https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-972 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 15:32:22 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-972 Thank you for taking the time to write these articles, Rebecca, it is much appreciated.

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By: Ivan https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-971 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:58:27 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-971 The remarks about Shazier in particular remind of what Bill Nunn said about allowing great talents to rely on their instincts. Interesting in that I think the problem may be at times that players may be over coached. If you don’t possess or understand great talent you probably couldn’t accept such a concept.

What it means is that it is neither talent or preparation but how you strike the balance. I suspect the vast majority of practitioners and fans haven’t even gotten that far in their thinking yet let alone figure out the art of putting it in practice

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By: roxannafirehall https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/03/coaching-accounts-ol-mike-munchak-and-dc-keith-butler/#comment-968 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 00:32:08 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1472#comment-968 Good read. I like the insight it gives into the development of the young players. After so many years on continuity on D and futility on the OL, it’s nice to see draft picks pay off and watch young players become stars, or at least solid starters.

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