Comments on: Steelers Opponent Preview: Leavin’ on a Jet Plane (the San Diego Chargers) https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/ An Introspective Steelers Site Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:57:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: A Blast From the Past: What If? | Going Deep: https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-3227 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:01:10 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-3227 […] This, in a nutshell, is the perennial debate. Several months ago I compared the “Class of 2004” in my Chargers opponent preview: […]

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By: The Chief Problem: Steelers Week 7 Opponent Preview | Going Deep: https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1397 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:30:25 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1397 […] As I wrote in last week’s preview: […]

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By: steeler fever https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1064 Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:07:15 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1064 Ha…but no, you can crush me anytime. As an addict I can’t get enough verbiage about the Steelers.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1063 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:54:22 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1063 LOL – you mean thanks for crushing you under a load of verbiage : )

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By: steeler fever https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1062 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:09:21 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1062 Thanks for elaborating.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1061 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:09:23 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1061 Feel free to add it anyhow : )

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By: Mike https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1060 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:05:18 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1060 Yea I wonder about this also. Computers or hats or even monkeys throwing darts at a dart board. Regarding time well I think the only time the players care about is the 60 minutes during the game.

Hopes; I hope we can limit the Rivers to Gates connection.I hope our new kicker can make some kicks for us. I hope we can get in Rivers face consistently because I think Rivers is their only hope of winning this game.

I believe the Steelers will take care of their run game this week and win this game.

Will be fun to see how Mike Vick does this time around.

If I were a betting man I would add this site to my must reads.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1059 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 00:53:26 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1059 Oh, and for what it’s worth they think DDC is a terrific pass blocker (all scores over 80) and a poor run blocker (all scores at or below 40.) I wouldn’t know, as I can’t sort that out by watching. Ramon Foster, on the other hand, doesn’t have either a pass or run blocking score below 81. So however they judge, they think he’s terrific.

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1058 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 00:48:09 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1058 It might be inconsistent, but they clearly think Bryant has a possibly career-threatening problem and Bell doesn’t. That said, I think it must have been a real injury, because whether or not they let him play they would surely want him to practice…

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By: Rebecca https://goingdeepsteelers.org/2015/10/10/steelers-opponent-preview-the-san-diego-chargers/#comment-1057 Sun, 11 Oct 2015 00:40:22 +0000 http://goingdeepsteelers.org/?p=1075#comment-1057 I know what you mean – I find some of them very strange. And some of those have changed a good bit (up in the case of Cockrell, very much down in the case of Gay) since early in the season. Part of it depends on how much they weight various things. I tried looking for other possible rankings. I found a site that has Stephon Tuitt ranked #90 and Frostee Rucker (now with the Cards) at 87. (This is out of 125 players. No. 125 is none other than Bud Dupree—they just lump linemen together.) Interestingly, you could say the other site thinks a lot less of Tuitt – on PFF he is in the top quarter of the ratings, but as #90 of 125 Tuitt is almost in the bottom quarter. That said, with a PFF score of 74.4 for Tuitt and Rucker with a score of 73.9, you can say there is a similar valuation put on their accomplishments so far.

I have a theory—I think that these things are more and more tipping towards fantasy football (I know that’s the case for PFF) and consequently what they are evaluating is no longer so much how much a player helps his team but how much value he has as a fantasy player. Sometimes those things align, of course.

If you take the case of Heath Miller, Steelers fans have always believed he is undervalued in the larger community because so much of his value to the Steelers is as a blocker. Blocking doesn’t help your fantasy team, of course. But to be fair to PFF, the facet of his game that drags his score down is his run blocking. They consider him a good receiver and very good pass blocker.

But if you look at the top-rated tight end in the league (Gronkowski) you can tell that receiving trumps either kind of blocking. He’s actually quite a reasonable run blocker, although not so much in pass blocking. But the receiving end of it trumps everything else. The fact is, we don’t need a Gronkowski on the Steelers. Probably no one would turn down someone like that, but he would just be competing for touches with AB, Lev Bell, and Bryant. What we need is Heath Miller. Or a Matt Spaeth.

The other thing to think about is what is meant by “average.” In school an “average” grade should be a C. But in most places now you risk having an investigation into your teaching if you grade on a classic bell curve, with the majority of the grades in the middle (i.e. average) area. We have all become like the children in Lake Woebegone – we are all above average.

It’s clear that in the PFF system “average starter” is hardly a diss. They are just saying they aren’t, at least yet, an above-average player, which by definition is a small percentage of the league. (A grade of above 77.9 gets you into the “above average”—above 84.9 gets you into the Pro Bowl category, and above 89.9 gets you into All-Pro.) If you are graded below 70.0 you are considered back-up level, and below 60 is ‘below replacement.’ In other words, if you aren’t better (in their estimation) than approximately 2/3s of the league you are a back-up or worse.

Again, I’m not saying I agree with all of these grades. But also remember they are adjusting very quickly at the beginning of the season, and one bad game (or one good one) has much more of an effect on the player grade than it will later in the year, when things average out a good bit more. Two weeks ago William Gay was at 77.1 – near the top of ‘average starter,’ but his pass coverage took a nose dive the last two games. They still consider his run defense to be excellent – that score has been sitting over 80 all season – but they clearly weight slightly towards pass coverage. So a player in a system in which the DBs are important in run coverage is not going to look as good.

But I do think it is interesting to compare players, and this is one way to do it. I can’t imagine what the Chargers fans are saying right now when Philip Rivers was given a 68.0 score for last week’s game, in which he was the AFC offensive player of the week. Fortunately that’s not my problem…

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